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imagine a place between shadow substance

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the place where the world is just then

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not many pass through here they just

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tend to get burned up in fact it is the

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islands was corrosive

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an acid the mind can unwrap sure you're

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gonna want to keep your wits about you

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you gotta feel great

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impatience they say the seeker as a

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finder sometimes that's true you better

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hope that's true

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welcome to the world extraordinary

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area 51 the secret of spots on the

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planet is located on the northeast edge

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of the Nevada Test Site and is said to

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be where numerous top-secret weapon

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systems have been tested over the years

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according to some UFO researchers it's

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also where the government is test flying

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alien spacecraft

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it sounds pretty far-out but some Las

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Vegas residents report having seen these

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flying saucers a local scientist who

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says he worked at Groom Lake and saw the

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saucers joins us in tonight's interview

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he has asked that his identity be

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shielded sir how do we know you are who

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you say you are and that you actually

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have knowledge about what's going on at

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Groom Lake well I guess there's no way

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you could really know there's really no

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way I can prove it without revealing my

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identity and getting myself into more

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trouble than I have already

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exactly what's going on up there well

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there's several actually nine flying

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saucers flying discs

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that are out there of extraterrestrial

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origin and they're being test flown and

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basically just analyzed you say there's

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nine saucers how are those tests going

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as far as what as far as whether they're

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successful and and that sort of thing oh

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well some of them are a hundred percent

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intact and operate perfectly the other

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ones are being taken apart I was

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involved mania in propulsion and the

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power source where did we get these

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saucers how did they come into the hands

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of the government I haven't the

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slightest idea and you have to

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understand the information is very

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compartmentalized and I was only allowed

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information that pertained particularly

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to what I was involved in but I mean

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couldn't couldn't our government have

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made them as opposed to getting them

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some alien beans totally impossible the

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propulsion system isn't a gravity

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propulsion system the power source is an

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antimatter reactor this technology does

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not exist at all in fact one of the

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reasons that I'm going forward with this

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information it's not only a crime

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against the American people is a crime

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against the scientific community which

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I've been part of for some time or

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actively trying to duplicate these

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systems yet they are in existence now

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and basically in the hands of the

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what would happen to you if the

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government learned that you were giving

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anything could happen I don't know it's

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said you were referred to getting into

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trouble have you had some repercussions

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charged with espionage I've had my life

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threatened by them my wife's life

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threatened by them and I I mean I don't

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pretty interesting stuff you've got to

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say thank you thank you sir

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a look ahead at the CBS Evening News CBS

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interview with the shadowy dentist drew

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countries and in a nationally televised

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inquiries and feelers dennis has

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remained anonymous until now his real

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name is Robert Lazar he says he was

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hired to work at an area called s4 which

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is a few miles south of groom Lake at s4

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reactors and other working examples of

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technology that is seemingly beyond

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when somebody understands fission and

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reactions they can't not know how to

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it was like a Twilight Zone episode just

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kept getting stranger the fact that that

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was happening at all was the weirdest

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sudden you raised it to this level you

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fearsome technology and you just don't

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released information it's kind of

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technology to be analyzed and give it to

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everyone they can just run with it you

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technology you can literally rule the

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world you're going to an investigative

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reporter and a news station and you are

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outing the most secret project rank

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higher than the h-bomb and you're

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essentially putting your face and voice

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interview first you put yourself out

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there that's because you were scared ya

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know no question a it's easy to joke

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about or laugh or remember just the good

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times now almost 30 years later but at

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the time yeah I was petrified this was

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no joking around I mean it was hard to

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sleep ahead of people wait up at night

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and keep an eye out it was crazy it was

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crazy it absolutely destroyed my life I

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mean I weighed like a hundred and

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nineteen pounds for something then I was

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stressed out all the time it's safe to

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beer from at that time I was really

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afraid of the people that worked at us

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for I had no idea how far they would go

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how angry they were with me was made

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really clear so there are so many things

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that happened I mean people breaking

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into my house searching my car even when

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I went gym to workout and I mean I had

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friends with me that saw things like

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this happening and even they were

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afraid so I yeah I left in constant fear

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at the time this is a hard part of the

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story for people understand it said they

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they they don't really get a sense of

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what it was like because literally you

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had to be there for some of this I lived

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through it I know what it was like what

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Bob was going through at that time they

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were breaking into his house and playing

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mind games you know they'd leave the

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doors open they leave drawers open

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nothing's taken and write things on his

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black board or erase things move things

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around he goes to the gym with us with

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his buddy and he's kind of scared so

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he's got an Uzi in his car he comes out

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an hour later after working out the

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doors to the car opened the windows are

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down the glove box is open and the Uzi

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is laying there on the front seat

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wasn't a burglary that was somebody

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messing with him that stuff really

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happened I can remember getting calls

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from Bob and in the night of just that

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he had somebody in this house messing

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with him I go over to see him to calm

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him down and he's walking around with a

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paranoid but but as the old saying goes

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just because you're paranoid doesn't

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mean somebody isn't after you and in

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this case they were they were messing

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with him that was real it's both

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frightening and infuriating do you feel

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that you have been utilized in this

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mechanism of information release I think

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I'm doing something that somebody wants

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done I think I have been used in that

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regard I think somebody maybe not all of

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them but some of them wanted this stuff

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out they wanted to see how it would fly

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I think that's why Bob Lazar was hired

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out there I think on many levels it does

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not make sense that they would put him

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in that job but the fact is they did he

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was out there and he was working on this

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stuff for a short period of time I think

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knew he wouldn't keep his mouth shut and

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that story would come out and then I did

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my part of it and telling it to the

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world I suspect that they figured I

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would quit

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and that I would give up and I wouldn't

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continue it for another 25 years and

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still be plugging away at it but in the

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in the larger context I think I was

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probably doing something that they

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wanted done let's get this story out

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there see if people freaked out and then

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we can always pull it back we can

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discredit the guy I do think that there

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have been attempts to discredit me that

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that they've tried to make a run at me

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with false information if Bob worked at

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Los Alamos in any kind of sensitive or

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classified position then it becomes

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reasonable to say he could have worked

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out at s4 all the stuff about his

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educational credentials aside if he was

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there I don't really care whether he

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went to MIT or not and I think we

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established beyond any question that he

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was there I mean I interviewed people

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that he worked with who said he was

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there we had him in the phone book we

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had him in the in the newspaper I had

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confirmation from the company that that

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recruited him Kirk Meier that said that

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yeah we hired him and they were gonna

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give me the records and then they said

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no I know that the lab lied to me I know

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that they they thwarted my attempts to

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prove that he was there but he was there

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and one of the reasons I know he was

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there is cuz he took us in we went there

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on a weekend my photographer and I

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Bryant Blackburn flew to Los Alamos and

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went to the lab and Bob took us in was

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like a a rabbit in his burrow I mean he

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was taking us through buildings

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obviously he knew his way around we were

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there he took us in I guess you know I

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guess there might be some other

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explanation for how he was able to have

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that access but I'd like to know what it

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reason he came out to talk to us again

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is cuz I bugged him about it

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relentlessly and he finally relented and

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came out but he wasn't happy about it

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nothing good comes from the UFO field

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for him it does nothing but cause him

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trouble if he had to do it over again I

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suspect he wouldn't do it because he

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changed his life and there was a part of

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him that would really like to still be

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working on that stuff I mean is really

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amazing technology the most amazing

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technology he's ever seen the

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descriptions of the golf ball experiment

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we throw a golf ball at this force field

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and it bounces off or the that this this

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demonstration where it freezes time it

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freezes a flame how the flame could

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still be burning without moving and

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without consuming this this candle how

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does that work

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even if he has been led down a path and

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and me along with him that they have

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shown him glimpses of something for

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their own reasons running up a flagpole

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let's see how how the public reacts and

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then discredit him down the line he

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acknowledges that's possible and I and

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I've thought about it all the way along

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that were we were being played with but

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the idea that bob was a disinformation

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agent or part of a program to mislead

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the public is wrong he's not and I can

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say that for knowing the guy for a

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quarter of a century the story he told

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then is the story he tells now he didn't

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add to it he's not making it more

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elaborate he's not remembering new parts

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of it it's the same story it's

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consistent all the way through he's

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telling me something that really

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the mounds appear to float on dry

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lakebeds like spaceships from another

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world they seem to ride on a viscous

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material channel through empty space by

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heat that rises and separates it

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vitrified everything it contacts like a

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like a green glass honey and goddamn

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psychedelic liquid drowning the

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this desert is pocked and punctuated by

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a thousand gaping holes created in a

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thousand atomic blasts that define an

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era what are they building in the desert

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north of Las Vegas what are they hiding

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what are they hiding [\h__\h] are they

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hiding

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I knew the date of a specific test we

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rented a car took my wife a few friends

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and drove out to this this place and

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turn the lights out and snuck into a

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little area and we all watched it what

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made you start showing your friends

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exactly where and when the test flights

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were gonna be why did you do that start

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showing people the flying saucer Oh at

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that time I was beginning to worry that

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I was gonna suddenly disappear or

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something like that so I finally broke

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down and told my close friends really

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what my job didn't tell what I was doing

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and I use a test flight schedule so I

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knew when to go out what time to go out

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and brought them there at that time and

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on schedule the craft came up you know

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that incredible maneuvers and flew

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around and then then landed so I wanted

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them to witness always so there'd be

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something backing up what I was saying

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and certainly witnessing the craft

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actually being tested was you know what

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turned them on you the people that you

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worked with at s4 what turned that

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administration of people against you

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when did it become dangerous for you why

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did you become a mystery I think that

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the start of it was the fact that they

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were monitoring my phone calls and at

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that time my wife was having an affair

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because she thought I was having an

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affair

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by disappearing at night going to this

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job and they were monitoring that now

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one of the requirements for clearance at

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this level is having a stable family

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life you can't have some you know

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tumultuous situation going on so they

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want you know just a a happy calm normal

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person I was beginning to move out of

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that category when they saw that this

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you know affair was taking place felt

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this is going to be a problem so let's

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not have him come into work anymore

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until this resolves it so and that's

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when I started bringing some friends out

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going they're not asking me to come up

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to work anymore and they're not just

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gonna let me go with all this knowledge

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that they gave me so that's when I

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decided to show the close group of

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friends what was going on just in case I

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did suddenly disappear or something your

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life has been under a microscope every

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word you said for 30 years recorder has

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been under a microscope and that's

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that's affected you yeah of course it it

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could affect anybody how is it affected

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you in the way I talk and how much I do

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I'd rather not you know in a public

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forum I'd rather just not say anything

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why do you think people are so obsessed

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with every word that you say about your

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experiences you know we're just looking

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for a way to to look for an inaccuracy

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and and to be able to discount the whole

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thing when we sit this one time and said

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it's slightly different this time you

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know obviously he's making it up

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no that's just the first word that

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entered my mind

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you know I don't put that much snot into

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it when I'm saying it like is as much as

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a lot of people hate it this stuff

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really happened I mean if it bothers you

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that's too bad

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I think that's just hard for people to

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accept I mean so yeah it would be

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look I fully understand I would feel the

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same way I'm not sure I would believe my

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story oh boy there's not enough evidence

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you know but I couldn't discount it

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either

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you saw alien ships yeah you worked on a

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gravity wave amplification system trying

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to figure it out right a propulsion

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system and a power source that's

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completely unknown to mankind and

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there's no way human beings could evade

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it there is no way human beings could

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have made it under any circumstances in

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any country anywhere period and for 30

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years you've you are telling us the

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truth you bet this [\h__\h] happened you got

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reality simply isn't what it used to be

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things are not what they see everything

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around us is a mental construct in

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reality

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breaking that down it's hard to do and

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once it's done there ain't no coming

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back

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but it's true it's true

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what I have seen is true I don't know

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about the big story where they came from

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what they're like and and but certainly

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in these crafts came from another not

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just another planet another solar system